Thanks for that. I looked at the same bikes as you and I also went and looked at a Marin Rocky Ridge, and a orange P7. But there is always just that something I would like to change, or something isn’t quite right. So I decided to build one myself as that way I could have it exactly how I like it. I tried a Cove Handjob and I loved it so I brought that frame and then it is just a learning curve from there, but I have build a road bike before, so I have some idea. Anyway, I guess we can help each other out at this, and thanks for replying.